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Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby wizzymi » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:16 am

This monring I got a mail from the newswatch magazine I subscribed for that: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals!

Millions of illegal aliens in the U.S.

Barack Obama’s plan gives a driver’s license to any illegal who wants one.
But that’s not all.
Obama’s plan gives illegals social security benefits and raises taxes for his health care plan to cover them.
Who pays? You do.
Driver’s licenses and government benefits for illegals.
Higher taxes for us. That’s Obama’s plan.
Obama. Too radical. Too risky.
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In think this is a political propaganda, in order to discredit the candidancy of Obama.

Or will it be true? What impact do you think will have on entrepreneurs in america?
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby litekepr » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:51 pm

wizzymi wrote:This monring I got a mail from the newswatch magazine I subscribed for that: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals!

Millions of illegal aliens in the U.S.

Barack Obama’s plan gives a driver’s license to any illegal who wants one.
But that’s not all.
Obama’s plan gives illegals social security benefits and raises taxes for his health care plan to cover them.
Who pays? You do.
Driver’s licenses and government benefits for illegals.
Higher taxes for us. That’s Obama’s plan.
Obama. Too radical. Too risky.
The National Republican Trust PAC is responsible for the content of this advertisment.

In think this is a political propaganda, in order to discredit the candidancy of Obama.

Or will it be true? What impact do you think will have on entrepreneurs in america?


Sounds like his idea to give "tax breaks" to people who don't even pay taxes. But, he finally changed his answer to that one and supposedly his website says that there will be some employment requirements for these supposed "tax breaks". There appear to be plenty of potential reprecussions for entrepreneurs with Obama's plans. There isn't enough money in the Social Security system now - giving more away to people who haven't paid into it could be the final nail in that coffin.

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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby OmnivoreInk » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:36 pm

Obama intends to do that... but I'm very much afraid McCain wants to do that as well.

There's very little to choose between the two presidential candidates, I'm afraid, at least when it comes to the Illegals situation.

But really, you have to blame the government for letting this get out of hand to begin with. If laws had been enforced decades ago, we wouldn't have this problem now. But businesses profited by using illegals, so the government looked the other way...

Not that I begrudge anyone the opportunity to come to the USA for a better life. Just do it legally... Or if you are illegal, don't start demanding rights that only legals deserve! (Then again, it's the ACLU that's working on citizenship rights for illegals!)

Tough situation, and I really don't see a solution that's equitable...
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby ChrisH » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:08 pm

OmnivoreInk wrote:Obama intends to do that... but I'm very much afraid McCain wants to do that as well.

There's very little to choose between the two presidential candidates, I'm afraid, at least when it comes to the Illegals situation.

But really, you have to blame the government for letting this get out of hand to begin with. If laws had been enforced decades ago, we wouldn't have this problem now. But businesses profited by using illegals, so the government looked the other way...

Not that I begrudge anyone the opportunity to come to the USA for a better life. Just do it legally... Or if you are illegal, don't start demanding rights that only legals deserve! (Then again, it's the ACLU that's working on citizenship rights for illegals!)

Tough situation, and I really don't see a solution that's equitable...


I totally agree, come into the country legally, pay taxes and THEN ask for perks.

I heard a report on CNN the other day that in the middle of the night - the Bush administration changed the law that limited the number of illegals that can work in the US on farms and that the stipulation that the employer had to make a reasonable effort to hire a citizen first was eliminated from the law. Now I ask - with almost 2 million people out of work, why would the government make it easier for illegals to work here? Not that I think the majority of people will race for that sort of job, but times get tough enough the "I'm too good for that job" attitude will change for more people.

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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Lucy Wu » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:06 pm

"OmnivoreInk wrote:Obama intends to do that... but I'm very much afraid McCain wants to do that as well.

There's very little to choose between the two presidential candidates, I'm afraid, at least when it comes to the Illegals situation.

But really, you have to blame the government for letting this get out of hand to begin with. If laws had been enforced decades ago, we wouldn't have this problem now. But businesses profited by using illegals, so the government looked the other way...

Not that I begrudge anyone the opportunity to come to the USA for a better life. Just do it legally... Or if you are illegal, don't start demanding rights that only legals deserve! (Then again, it's the ACLU that's working on citizenship rights for illegals!)

Tough situation, and I really don't see a solution that's equitable..."

I agree with you too, It's just not fair even though I don't live in America.
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Alan Mater » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:21 pm

All I have to say is we as a country did a pathetic job if the only two we could come up with was Obama AND McCain. There were better candidates available at the beginning, but the election system is faulty in that many states never get a chance to vote for those candidates, mine being one of them.

There were a couple of good candidates I would have liked to vote for, but was never given that chance in the primary. Come election day, I had to vote for the lesser of two evils. How sad.

Obama WILL make changes... but they're not the changes we as a country need or should look forward to.
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Lucy Wu » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:03 pm

I think America's biggest problem right now is clearly the recession, and that should be the main focus as of now.
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Alan Mater » Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:25 pm

Lucy Wu wrote:I think America's biggest problem right now is clearly the recession, and that should be the main focus as of now.


I agree. Do you think President Elect Obama is doing or will do what is best in terms of beating this recession?
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby OmnivoreInk » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:25 pm

Alan Mater wrote:
Lucy Wu wrote:I think America's biggest problem right now is clearly the recession, and that should be the main focus as of now.


I agree. Do you think President Elect Obama is doing or will do what is best in terms of beating this recession?


Unfortunately, I think Obama is going to pull another "Roosevelt." According to economists, Roosevelt's plans for the New Deal extended the Depression by 7 yeasrs...

We can already see today that nothing has "changed." Incompetent bankers, lenders, and businessmen get into trouble, the politicains vote to give them billions of dollars of *our* money to bail them out...and yet there is no oversight of how the politicians are going to spend that money! They can do anything they want with it including bailing out the auto companies.

Frankly, I sure do wish I worked for Chrysler right now. They've shut down all their plants... and yet every worker will continue to be paid their full salary...for sitting around the house doing absolutely nothing. (I wonder if they'll get Christmas Eve and Christmas Day triple time pay, too.)
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby ChrisH » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:37 pm

Alan Mater wrote:
Obama WILL make changes... but they're not the changes we as a country need or should look forward to.


Sad but this is exactly how I feel about it. Change is coming - but unless I'm really wrong, it is not a change this country needs. Amazing how much a good speaker with a good speech writer can do. If you paid attention to the things he said "off script" - much of it is frightening.

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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Alan Mater » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:17 pm

Unfortunately, I think Obama is going to pull another "Roosevelt." According to economists, Roosevelt's plans for the New Deal extended the Depression by 7 yeasrs...

We can already see today that nothing has "changed." Incompetent bankers, lenders, and businessmen get into trouble, the politicains vote to give them billions of dollars of *our* money to bail them out...and yet there is no oversight of how the politicians are going to spend that money! They can do anything they want with it including bailing out the auto companies.

Frankly, I sure do wish I worked for Chrysler right now. They've shut down all their plants... and yet every worker will continue to be paid their full salary...for sitting around the house doing absolutely nothing. (I wonder if they'll get Christmas Eve and Christmas Day triple time pay, too.)


This is what happens when the Government gets involved and puts its nose where it shouldn't. Let the market correct itself. There is no reason for the Government to bail everyone out. If the businesses, mainly banks, weren't corrupted with greed, this wouldn't have happened. They are and it did, so let them dwindle away and pay for their mistakes. That's what any small business has to do. Why should they be any different. They have gotten away with it for over 10 years! Surely they should have seen this coming.

Sad but this is exactly how I feel about it. Change is coming - but unless I'm really wrong, it is not a change this country needs. Amazing how much a good speaker with a good speech writer can do. If you paid attention to the things he said "off script" - much of it is frightening.

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It IS sad. What's more sad is the fact that Obama had the media wrapped around his finger, and still does. The media is just as corrupt as the banks.
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Josip Barbaric » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:44 pm

Alan Mater wrote:It IS sad. What's more sad is the fact that Obama had the media wrapped around his finger, and still does. The media is just as corrupt as the banks.


Oh, you should have seen the media in Croatia lately: Obama this, Obama that, Mr. Change...

In the end, he will do what all presidents do...

...he'll take orders from the people that got him in office!

Ron Paul, where are you now? :(


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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Alan Mater » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:55 pm

Josip Barbaric wrote:
Alan Mater wrote:It IS sad. What's more sad is the fact that Obama had the media wrapped around his finger, and still does. The media is just as corrupt as the banks.


Oh, you should have seen the media in Croatia lately: Obama this, Obama that, Mr. Change...

In the end, he will do what all presidents do...

...he'll take orders from the people that got him in office!

Ron Paul, where are you now? :(


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The media is still that way, to an extent.

I just saw a headline that read, "Russia to test merit of Obama." That should tell you something right there.

Ron Paul was one of the candidates I would have voted for. Come the primaries in Pennsylvania, he was already out of the race. Our primaries were very late, and most states had already voted to decide the fate of many of the candidates. It's about time we change the election process. That's one change we can all live with.
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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby ChrisH » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:25 am

Alan Mater wrote:
This is what happens when the Government gets involved and puts its nose where it shouldn't. Let the market correct itself. There is no reason for the Government to bail everyone out. If the businesses, mainly banks, weren't corrupted with greed, this wouldn't have happened. They are and it did, so let them dwindle away and pay for their mistakes. That's what any small business has to do. Why should they be any different. They have gotten away with it for over 10 years! Surely they should have seen this coming.



The same thing happened in the early 30's that's why the law to prevent these practices was put in place. But, during the Clinton administration people decided that eliminating that law would boost the economy - once again, that didn't work. Kind of reminds you of the saying that people who don't consider history are bound to repeat it.

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Re: Obama Wants Social Security for Illegals

Postby Alan Mater » Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:39 am

ChrisH wrote:
Alan Mater wrote:
This is what happens when the Government gets involved and puts its nose where it shouldn't. Let the market correct itself. There is no reason for the Government to bail everyone out. If the businesses, mainly banks, weren't corrupted with greed, this wouldn't have happened. They are and it did, so let them dwindle away and pay for their mistakes. That's what any small business has to do. Why should they be any different. They have gotten away with it for over 10 years! Surely they should have seen this coming.



The same thing happened in the early 30's that's why the law to prevent these practices was put in place. But, during the Clinton administration people decided that eliminating that law would boost the economy - once again, that didn't work. Kind of reminds you of the saying that people who don't consider history are bound to repeat it.

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I totally agree. Now we're paying for that mistake.
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